Greg, Sal, Mike.... You guys!!!!!!! Now its been at least 2 years since i drank any of that blue goop...... and the only one on this list that remembers actually seeing me drink this stuff...... i think..... was Julio and Maybe Zman!!! It was 4am downstairs in Cleveland at the 2000 ACA that Mike Schadle made me drink the stuff..... Dont i ever get a break??? lol Now greg.... i cant help it i have this wonderful water..... but everyone out in the northwest has basically the same kind of water.... if i remember right.... oregon, Canadian BC has this soft slightly acidic water too.... They just gotta learn to sing..... helps to be first generation Italian American sometimes.... When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie thats amore........ok ok.... so Dean and Ole Blues eyes aint gotta worry about me stepping on their toes......but i sound good in the shower! truthfully i believe a good diet, clean water and patience is really the key..... i have friends that spawn some nice apistos in Montreal and their water is horrible for apistos without treating it. So just goes to show..... give em what they need and Mother Nature will do the rest!!! Johnny Blue Goop ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader