Folks.......take a look at the video...........it's a bit of a long load but the is 30 second video will show either A. payaminonis or A. sp. payaminosis.....take your choice I know the books say that A. payaminonis is no longer in the hobby......but take a look at these!!! The sub-dominate form looks like nijsseni which is exactly like the Romer book puts it......take a look at the Romer book and decide for yourself.........it's fun when these fish come in and you have to ID them!!!!!!! My videos will get better!!!!.......;-) http://screamindragcharters.50megs.com/payaminonis2.avi Mike Mike Jacobs SOUTHERN APISTOS Wild Peruvian Imports...Plus http://www.southernapistos.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader