Kelly..............not a problem on sending a pic to put on the internet. Is it in .jpg form or .gif??? Just attach it to an e-mail and we are off and running! Mike > Holy Crap, It happened again when I rejoined the list. > I just got done reading All the posts' from being gone this weekend,(on a > very cool trip to austin I might add-Thanks to Tim Ellis and the guys a > Aqatek!!!!!!!) > > Mike, Can I send you some pics to post on your site of interesting apistos' > that need an ID? I would like to be able to post a URL for some different > input. > Thanks, > Kelly Higgins > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <apisto@listbox.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: payaminonis??? > > > > Mr. Soares says....."...Payaminonus comes from Ecuador which does not > permit > > the export of ornamental fish..." > > > > Just a note of my own!!! From the Romer Book pg. 666 (......sign of the > > devil.....;-) )........."...a village at the confluence of the Rio > > Tutapishcu and the Rio Payaminonis, the Rio Napo System......" This is to > > indicate that the A. payaminonis comes from this area. Julio Melgar has > > several types of fish from the Rio Napo System. Of the fish from this Rio > > Napo System is the fish that I have. This fish is POSSIBLY A. > > payaminonis......at worse Julio said to call it sp.Payaminonis or sp. > affin > > payaminonis.........................Repeat.......Julio is getting fish > from > > the Rio Napo system and according to Romer himself the a. payaminonis is > > from there......you folks > > decide............................................... > > > > Those of you who REALLY know me know I am not trying to hide anything from > > anyone. I have had these fish for 3-4 weeks. I waited this long to get a > > reasonable ID on these fish. I won't drag the people into this discussion > > but I went to some very apt people for ID and as usual without the fish in > > hand it is terribly difficult. The picture in the Romer book on page 667 > is > > virtually exact to what I am calling the "Dominate" form of the > > males......look at the pic of the female on pg 671.......imagine the fish > in > > the pic being colored YELLOW and the body spot dark.......it is exactly > what > > these fish are......look at the video. The fish on pg 669 the nijsseni > > looking fish with the caudal color.....look at the video. There are some > > subtle differences but books and books and books.....................I > have > > been around for a long time too and know that books are off some > > time...........but there was no attempt to deceive anyone! That's why I > put > > on A. sp payaminonis on the video......if A. sp affin. payaminonis is > better > > then so be it.......but let's not say it can't be an A. payaminonis > because > > Romers book itself says it came from the Rio Napo System. > > > > This fish carries a caudal that is round and the black/red coloration does > > not go completely around. The dorsal extensions on the males are EXACTLY > > what they look like on pg 667 of Romer. Some of these fish look very > close > > to nijsseni in subdominant colors which is odd because usually the more > > colorful males are the dominate ones...........I think! > > > > Thanks for listening...........................let's have discussions and > > trust each other rather than throwing accusations. I am willing to accept > > if this fish is A. sp payaminonis but let's talk it over rather than "It > > isn't..." because......................... > > > > Thanks all.................Have a super day everyone............... > > > > Mike > > > > > > Mike Jacobs > > SOUTHERN APISTOS > > Wild Peruvian Imports...Plus > > http://www.southernapistos.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Soares" <apistodave@bendcable.com> > > To: <apisto@listbox.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:51 AM > > Subject: Re: payaminonis??? > > > > > > > PS- Payaminonus comes from Ecuador which does not permit the export of > > > ornamental fish--just a note > > > Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids > > > David Soares & Uwe Romer > > > 14697 S Bluegrass LN > > > Sisters Or 97759 > > > apistodave@bendcable.com > > > www.apistogrammaidiots.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com> > > > To: <apisto@listbox.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:22 AM > > > Subject: payaminonis??? > > > > > > > > > > Folks.......take a look at the video...........it's a bit of a long > load > > > but > > > > the is 30 second video will show either A. payaminonis or A. sp. > > > > payaminosis.....take your choice I know the books say that A. > > payaminonis > > > > is no longer in the hobby......but take a look at these!!! The > > > sub-dominate > > > > form looks like nijsseni which is exactly like the Romer book puts > > > > it......take a look at the Romer book and decide for > > yourself.........it's > > > > fun when these fish come in and you have to ID them!!!!!!! My videos > > will > > > > get better!!!!.......;-) > > > > > > > > http://screamindragcharters.50megs.com/payaminonis2.avi > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Mike Jacobs > > > > SOUTHERN APISTOS > > > > Wild Peruvian Imports...Plus > > > > http://www.southernapistos.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also > > > available. > > > > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > > > Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also > > available. > > > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > > Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also > available. > > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. 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