>what about DI? Well I was wondering when someone was going to mention this oft hated though very usable device. I don't know how many tanks you have, but if the total gallonage is low DI could work for you. I'm only keeping 40 total gallons at the moment. I think if I added another tank I would be forced into RO, DI can be time consuming. I use a DI unit to take tap water from pH 7.3 KH 4 and dgH 4 to ... pH 6.1 kH 1 dgH 1. Sounds crazy, some might say impossible, but research grade equipment doesn't lie (well, usually). Further use of peat and pin oak leaves on this water yields a rather stable pH 5.0 kH/dgH negligible. [How do I use peat? Rinse furiously. Soak it for two or three days in a 16 oz. cup at which time it sinks and then either add it directly to the tank or put into a 5gal bucket to soak and cure more water. The oak leaves are for decor/hiding and I'm not sure that they actually change the water chemistry. I'm finagling with that as we speak with a few buckets of leaves "curing".] By the way, CO2 injection to bring the PH down is not as crazy as it seems. Even on large scale aquaria. The NAIB in Baltimore uses CO2 canisters to stabilize the PH on their immense Amazon Riverforest Exhibit, easily 3000+ gallons. I was never able to corner the Aquarist who is in charge of the exhibit long enough to ask how he got around the nutrients and plant life issue though. For those who haven't been to the NAIB this exhibit does not have any aquatic plant life and is populated with angels, pacu, a full grown red tail catfish, Uaru, a few caymans and on and on and on. There is a shelf of plant life above the "river". I suspect that there is either a nutrient sump (almost like the saltwater folks) or the water is very precisely looked after. Last, Coby, most here will say that RO is the most cost effective water softening arrangement and that's true if you a) have a high total gallonage or b) have pretty hard water. Both will cause you to use DI resins at a fast rate. But for me and my small operation, it works very well indeed. >Sarah __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader