Hey Mike Thank God you're a math Teacher and not an English Grammar teacher lol...... sorry about that...... but your fingers had to be going twice the speed of your brain lol... But that is a neat observation about the spawning habit of your Cacatuoides.... just goes to show you that Apistos might also be open spawners as opposed to strictly cave spawners.... If you have ever had a pair spawn in the corner of a bare bottom tank, this shows that they will spawn out in the open if necessary. So to spawn in a "Plant like" material..( we killifish ppl use yarn mops to simulate fine leaf plants for our fish to spawn on or in.) is really not out of the question for our apistos..... What amazes me is, that you didnt hurt the apisto eggs when you moved them with your fingers.... I imagine they arent hard like killie eggs....good job not squishing them!! John " In Balmy Tupper Lake, 85F and sunny" Haaaaaa!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader