" Water changes....Water changes...water changes.... watch your fish, look at every tank each day.... see what's going on in there." Quoted from Tundra John The last time I had Ich was >2yrs past the time before I can't remember. I didn't use medication and had it cleared in a week. By doing the following Raised the temp to 84f covered the tank to block all light. daily gravel vacs. by the end of treatment I had two spawns in the same tank. It was a 50 gal with Central cichlids and catfish. Water changes work period. I can find some medications in my home, Mostly bought in grab bags at my local club auctions they came with something else I needed like food or sponge filters. Still haven't opened them for use. Currently building an automatic water changing system to allow me to do daily ~10% changes. My opinion it works for me etc. Erick -----Original Message----- From: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com [mailto:owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com]On Behalf Of Mike Jacobs Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:31 AM To: apisto@listbox.com Subject: Re: sick fish I am in TOTAL agreement with John. I also would be hard pressed to find a bottle of medicine for fish around my house. Change water.......change water.......change water................if I have a fish that is ailing some how isolation and I'll change water on him 2-3 times a days for 2-3 days and then re-evaluate and then change water again. For Ich what Erick said about the diatom I agree with also. I don't mean to be snooty but I CAN'T remember the last time I had a case if Ich but when I did I changed 60-70% of the water every other day and used the newer version of the old Voretx diatom........it hangs on the side of the tank and I think it's made by Aquarium Products......it's a diatom filter better designed than the old Vortex in my opinion and I will run that every day.....elimination.......not medication. > > Water changes....Water changes...water changes.... watch your fish, > look at every tank each day.... see what's going on in there. > > Ok, off my soap box, I'll shut up now... Oh Scotty.... I can use shields > now!!!! > > Tundra John > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader