Pete I have to agree. I was fortunate to meet Mary at the 2000 ACA in Cleveland.. I truly enjoyed chatting with her, she's quite the personality! I always read her posts on the other cichlid lists, because i know she almost always has something informative to say.. John.... who now regrets missing the ACA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader