Hello Holly They also have those balloon type shapes on Gold rams as well... along with long fins. Its a genetic mutation that someone has worked with to make the body deeper and not as long. Myself, i prefer the original wild type ram, but that doesnt mean i dont appreciate the looks of gold or long finned rams.. Good luck with them anyways.... They will still display cichlid behavior which is what draws me to dwarf cichlids to start with. John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader