AFAIK, its Pappilochromis with the change still pending -- that is most people are using Pappilochromis (Which I'm probably misspelling) but it hasn't been made official yet, but probably will be..... Anyhow, onto breeding them. Rams are notoriously difficult to breed -- for mostly one reason. Many of our stocks come in from the East, where they don't have any problem with using various hormones. Males are more colourful, so they make more of them...... Hence, 90% of our stock in the country is all males, unless you are lucky enough to get WC or stock from someone localy (I don't know about the German Rams... I assume they've been spaired the treatment of hormones?) you are not going to be able to breed them. For a better shot, go with P. altispinosa, [hey, I can't spell didly skwat] the Bolivian or Ruby Ram. It gets a little larger, and is a lot easier to breed, mostly because you can get females... :-)> <>< J. L. Wiegert