Hello everyone, I would like to express my concerns with using dehumidifier water to lower ph and water hardness. I used to do this when I was keeping P. ramirezi in my tanks to lower the ph to a level of about 6.0. I was never able to breed them successfully and I just couldn't figure out why. Later, I discovered why when I was breeding fancy guppies (sorry but I love the genetics). I had a large pregnant female in dehumidifier/tap water mix and when she gave birth to a very small brood (15fry) 50% were born dead, two were born as Siamese twins joined at the stomach. The rest were all malformed too, all died two days later. The first thing I suspected was the dehumidifier water. The female survived and was placed in regular tap water and her next brood 33 days later was 43 fry, all which survived and I must say turned out as exceptional. Warning! I believe that dehumidifier water may in fact be toxic especially to small fry. Adult fish can live in it but may not be able to breed successfully. I would be very cautious on using dehumidifier water, personally I will never use it again. Rain water or frost build up found in freezers is probably a better choice if you have to go that way to lower hardness and ph. I just want to say I've learned allot since I joined this mailing list. I have set up a 30 gallon (36" long) aquarium for apistos but I haven't gotten any yet. Still waiting to get the book Dwarf Cichlids (Linke and Staeck) before I get any. I'm also considering on getting another tank so I can keep more of them. Bye. Anthony Windsor, Ontario Canada