Bill........Let's don't be like the "old Killie" list and argue.....I said you said we said.......but I will go back and find the articla. a friend of mine knew I knew of Uwe Romer and gave me the B.B. magazine....the most recent one.....and I read the article that A."pand" was A. panduro etc, etc. I'll find the article and report....! Have a good day Mike