>>What species was this, this seems pretty violent for an Apisto?<< Pelvicachromus pulcher. I thought that was the species mentioned in the first message of the thread. I appologize if I was off base and missled anyone. BTW, my experiences with the Kribs in a 10 gallon tank are chronicled on my web site at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson Bill Vannerson http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson