dear brian, i don't think you offended anyone. it is a very valid concern. i am actually terribly depressed about the way we humans have been plundering the rainforests around the world (btw, my interests include orchids and other plants in addition to fish, that's why i get so depressed about it - -- and we must not forget, there are the native peoples who depend on the forests too). however, the collection of fish for the pet trade has not in most parts been detrimental to the wild fish populations, except in a few cases where the fish is a food fish in its native habitat and overfishing has made it scarce, as in the case of the pirarucu (Arapaima gigas). that's why i don't think this particular species should be collected in the wild and sold in a pet shop. another endangered species is the asian arowana (Scleropages formosus) which is now only available legally via captive-breeding. as for most other fish in the hobby, wild collections have not had negative impact in their population. i believe dr. ning labbish chao has done some studies about the ornamental fish trade in the amazon and that's what he concluded. i believe that sustainable and reasonable exploitation of natural resources is not a bad thing. wild fish populations are more threatened by overfishing, deforestation, cattle raising and oil mining in the rainforest than by collecting. for example, swordfish populations have plummeted in the oceans because we have been overconsuming it. many fish you see in pet shops are wild collected, at least most tetras and catfish are. if we did not collect them from the wild, we would have a very limited number of fish we could keep, mostly livebearers and cichlids. what bothers me more than wild-collecting is the blatant and heartless disregard people may have for living things and pets. in the aquatic plant mailing list, there was discussion recently about selling excess fish and plants to pet shops and one person wrote that because the shop offered him too little for his fish, he'd "rather flush the fish in the toilet." just my 2 cents. tsuh yang chen, new york city On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:39:59 EST IVIassacre@aol.com writes: >Just curious.....is there any real purpose to keeping wild specimens? >I can see if keeping a wild specimen would in some way improve our knowledge >of the fish, but is this the case? What kind of effect(if any) do aquarists >have on the wild populations of aquarium fish? IMO, if the fish is readily >available in captive bred form then there should be no reason to subject wild >ones to the stress of being moved hundreds of miles away and possibly leading >to the depletion of that species in the wild. Is the captive bred gene pool >for certain fish really that small? >> >Sorry if I offended any wild fish keepers, > Bryan Kohart