>>> Steven J. Waldron <swaldron@slip.net> 02/26/98 01:12am >>> >> I always considered the male rotpunkt a bit more on the cacatuoides side of the spectrum than macmasteri. The females show strong affinities to the macmasteri group. Great fish though, adaptable to hard/alkaline water and very productive. - -________ Steve and Ken, It is interesting on the rotpunkt....Wayne Leibel (1994) and Mike Wise = (1991) placed rotpunkt as a bridging species between the macmasteri and = regani group (specifically eunotus complex). It was also theorized that = the macmasteri group arouse from the eunotus complex. I like bridging = species because they can help show evolution, in the latest literature I = have seen though they are dropping the bridging species and lumping them = into the different complexes (or subcomplexes if it is the German system). = The other bridging species I know about are Breitbinden as a bridge = between macmasteri/cacatuoides. A. roraime a pertensis/gibbiceps bridge, = but in recent literature I have seen roraime used as a synonym for = gibbiceps. A. gephyra as a pertensis group(iniridae complex)/agasizii = bridge. Balzfleck as a pertensis group (pertensis complex)/steindachneri = bridge however now Balzfleck is in its own group. Norberti as a = possbible cacatuoides/nijsseni bridge. Ever changing, like I said most of = these have been phased out now, but I think it is neat to know the old = stuff and where it started from.=20 I hear A sp sunset will be in the nijsenni complex and A sp. Rio Mamore = possibly in with trifasciata....really don't know on the later I have = not had the experience to see this fish yet! Anyone spawn either Rio = Mamore or sunset?? Kathy