What Tim is offering is the offspring from the Whittley PAIR's mating, not offspring from the mating of a Whittley with a Macmasteri... Getting some of these so-called Whittley's spread around might help in identifying what they are and is to be encouraged. From what I understand, Tim pulled the Macmasteri out of the tank before cross-breeding actually occurred, not after, so these fish should be "pure". - --Cliff WndrKdnomo <WndrKdnomo@aol.com> on 05/07/98 01:37:54 PM Please respond to apisto@majordomo.pobox.com To: timellis@flash.net, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com cc: Subject: Re: Re: Cross Breeding In Apistos In a message dated 5/6/98 5:15:10 PM, timellis@flash.net wrote: <<If any body wants some, I have two batches growing out in the community tank(70 gal). I would like to trade some or even give some away if it would help in describing it any sooner or just spread them around a little. >> Please DON'T distribute these fish! If I'm correct in assuming these are the fry from the mating of your unknown species male and macmasteri female, these should NOT be distrbuted! As far as indentifying your fish, the offspring would be of little or no use , as they are as much macmasteri as they are "Whittley" Also, all the fish are of the genus Aistogramma. Species within this genus have been grouped according to their relatedness within the genus, thus you would refer to the hongsloi group, not the hongsloi genus. I'm sorry if your feeling somewhat picked on, but people take their hobby seriously, and the actions of a few people can have far reaching impacts. The indiscriminate release of hybrid offspring to the hobby should NOT be done. Please reconsider, and if someone offers to take some of the fry, please refuse to do so. I'm sorry if the tone of this is somewhat strong, but I feel very strongly about this issue. Jefff WndrKdnomo@aol.com Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!