Well I'm sorry I got this debate thing going. One of the reasons I artificially raise the eggs is to insure a large as possible hatch. Yes I have males that love to eat eggs and fry. No I don't necessarily keep Apistos for the fun of it. They pay my way to many fish shows, workshops and conventions. If I raise just 20 fish with the parents in the tank as compared to say 70 without the parents. I'll take the 70. I do let female fan the eggs until they hatch and become wigglers. This is the point when I steal the fry or remove the parents. Now my large cichlids that give me 200 plus fry in a batch, I leave with parents. Dwarf Cichlids are a different story. I can already see the amount of response I'm going to recieve from this, but that is the way I do things. When I have 5 tanks full of Apistogramma Cacatuoides fry already I don't mind leaving the next batch with the parents, but until then, I steal the fry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!