hi yall, thanks to all who offered suggestions to my question. my fish are very small at the moment but they have been losing their shyness more and more. since the male lacks dark ocelli in the caudal fin, i'm more inclined to think of them as P. subocellatus Matadi black. they are definitely not P. pulcher, and i'm inclined to think they are not "taeniatus" although they don't look exactly like the picture in the linke-staeck book. as someone pointed out, the "taeniatus" complex is probably not a single species, just like the Mesonauta (festives or "festivum") and bolivian rams are not a single species either. tsuh yang chen, nyc ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!