yes Vern, I have noticed that as well. They are fast growers but I wonder what their life span is? My experiene is the faster the growth rate the shorter the life span, we will have to see. I haven't noticed the their tolerance of water values simply because I am using a well and my water comes out very soft and very acidic. But if they are indeed tolerant of a wider range all the better for us all. == David Sanchez Casselberry, FL http://www.mindspring.com/~barbax barbax2@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!