I have seen this problem to a degree. My cacatuoides weren't doing anything. They were getting frozen bloodworms and brine shrimp almost exclusively. I was feeding live food only to whatever fish I had in that was new and different. I threw 2 pair of cacatuoides into an outdoor wading pool early last spring and when I pulled them in the fall, they were magnificiently filled out and have bred like clockwork, every 2 weeks, all winter. During the summer the fish were never fed anything other than what was in the pool - daphnia, mosquito larvae, scuds, insect larvae, etc. As a result, I have tried to increase the amount of live foods to all my fish over the last 6 months and I think I'm seeing favorable results. The summer outside truly invigorated the fish and the apparent primary difference was the food?? These are the same fish that didn't want to seem to breed. I have fed their offspring live food as much as possible, approximately 50% of their diet is live daphnia, mosquito larvae, live bloodworms and other microcrustaceans. They have already began to breed. I realize this is only anecdotal but I have had these fish for several generations and thought I was losing vigor - but I've changed my mind. I think we tend to reserve royal treatment for the newest wild-caught fish we have and tend to treat our other fish with our average treatment. If we give our F1s, F2s, or F10's royal treatment, they will probably reward you with spawnings. By the way, it's been such a mild winter in central Alabama that I've collected mosquito larvae every single weekend. Charles Ray ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!