O.K. Mike. Tonight after they are "asleep" and stunned the Neons are going to another home. I think I have one male and 3 female rams because if I would have two males, then for sure there would be two sets of spawns by now. They've got three flat rocks for spawning purposes and so far only one of them has been used - conveniently for me, the small one right at the front of the tank. They are young, maybe 6 months old so I'll give them more chances. Anyway, given what everyone says about how they reproduce like crazy, I will be patient. Better than ending up with hundreds of juveniles nobody wants. G. Kadar ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!