I have never personally kept the fish but have a good friend who is breeding them. His male has to a good 4 inches not counting the tail. The female is a solid 2 inches SL. The fins on the male are spectacular. Although it is not a very colorful fish just seeing those long flowing fins would be reason enough to keep the fish. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!