David, Generally, I stay out of these arguments, but your petty and offensive remarks have finally prompted me to respond. First, Mike was just pointing out that he had received healthy fish from Julio after receiving poor specimens from other people - none of them had true A. viejita. He never said he received bad fish from you. Why shouldn't Mike be allowed to say that he's received quality stock from somebody? He has a right to state his opinions and to share his experiences in the hobby and we have a right to read about them and to respond courteously - that's how we learn and that's the reason for this forum. Second, I was amazed to see you accuse Mike of being: ...the reason for so many lurkers that do not share their thoughts on the list Actually, I think it's because of folks like you that people lurk - not Mike. Consider the following remarks made by you: ...You really need to think before you speak ...clearly your agenda is to suck up to him ...your behavior is quite inappropriate, it shows your level of inteligence.. ...Just get your foot out of your mouth and be silent. And yes, please go back to lurking ...I am not going to let people like you ruin the hobby ...be a man ...Do us all a favor Mike and please go back to lurking if you have nothing positive to contribute. Third, I hope that you realize that you've exposed yourself not only as a petty person, but also as a terrible businessperson. Why would you insult potential customers, instead of inviting them to try your product - especially if you think your product is better? Why would you write/say such nasty things in front of people you are trying to impress? Although I've never met or contacted Mike, I completely agree with him that you are a not a person that I would consider doing business with. Sincerely, -Myongsu Kong Afishionado 28 West 8th St. New York, NY 10011 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!