Hello Stan Sounds like your water parameters are almost the same as mine and I'm working with Aggies double red color form. I have no problem spawning my fish in these water conditions. Your feeding diet sounds ok to me also as I occasiionally use a beef heart mixture, live black worms, flake food and tetra bits ( now called Color bits) I would break the group up into 2 trios and just wait for them to mature in adult fish capable of spawning. Good luck. John Wubbolt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!