If you are persistent and patient, you can pick them out yourself. I've been doing this for the past two months on a guppy tank. I don't have problems with any cichlid tanks because the fish eat the snail spawns, or at least most of them. I started with hundreds of snails in that tank, and now a couple of times a week I take out about 20 to 30 tiny ones. There are no large ones left. So the 2 to 3 mm ones are too young (I hope) to be fertile. I guess I've got a few more of these 'expeditions' to do and that'll be it. They were eating holes in my hygrophila polysperma and my miniature amazon swordplants. I don't bother with chemicals and I don't want to go out of my way to purchase a fish that will eat the snails in that tank, because it'll eat all the guppies too. G. Kadar ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!