hello Adam If your water is kind of hard and you don't want to play with rain water or R/O I would suggest the Kribs for your new tank. They handle the harder water better and will spawn more readily in it than the Rams would. As for planting the tank, go for it. A 4 foot tank with lots of Vals, Hygrophila in the background with Tenellis and Crypts up front, a couple of small Sword plants like Oeseri would look good in here. Add a few pieces of driftwood and some rocks, Wow what a wonderful looking tank. The Kribs will spawn and tote their family all over this tank. You could add several tetra species and corys or Ottos for tank maitainence. This would be my suggestion. Of course there are many ways of setting up a new tank. Depends whether you're looking for looks or ease of cleaning. John W ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!