Will any other leaves be suitable to bring down the PH like Oak leaf? We do not have this type of tree here in the Philippines and I was thinking of using some local leaf instead? Thanks for your response! Edison Yap Philippines ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!