> >Protein skimmers (aka foam fractionators) are not particularly effective in >fresh water, primarily because of the size of the airstone bubbles when >compared to salt water. I am cautious to say they won't work at all, because >I had some incidental fractionation with my air-pwered RUGF that left brown >skimmate stains on the wall from DOCs that atomized as the bubbles broke in >the top of the tubes. > >Peter, do you know a way to improve their efficiency in fresh water, either >by reducing bubble size, or other means? > >Bob Dixon > I tried building a few using limewood diffusers, which produce a smaller bubble than the normal blue airstones. The stones are hung inside a 2" polystyrene measuring dispenser glued to the bottom of the skimmer. Their efficiency depends on skimmer height and diameter, flow rate and the right relation between air flow and water flow - which I don´t seem to have found yet. My first two attempts are horrible square contraptions that work great removing the greasy film on the tanks. They are fed by a line coming from a small funnel that hangs underneath a piece of u-shaped styrofoam, to collect surface water. Definitely not something you want in a display tank. Contraption No. 3 was made from a cilindrical polystyrene spaghetti jar and it looks a little more like aquarium gear, but is a royal pain to adjust the flow. When it works for a few hours in a row, it does expell brown foam. Again, to avoid having to adjust the height of the collecting cup, I used a styrofoam ring with an inverted plastic funnel (actually the neck of a break fluid bottle, cut diagonally, so the muck oozes out to the side without having to attach yet another cup on top). I guess the results are pseudo-satisfying because when I remove the greasy surface film, there´s enough organic material + fatty acids to form bubbles that actually travel through the top. I´m just finishing building a mold to cast 4" acrylic tubes, 30" long, which I hope should be easier to work with to try to remove dissolved organics, rather than only the ones that float on top. They should work great in freshwater, but I´m not there yet. Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!