Andrew & Dr. Kadar are correct for the most part, but things are changing albeit slowly. Dr. Uwe Römer has started such underwater studies over the past 4 years or so in the upper Rio Negro. There's a great photo of him doing just this in his new book. Crazy yes - he has the parasite removal bills to prove it - but has a wife & 2 kids, the right job, but not the budget he'd like to have (Do any of us??). Fortunately for Uwe, he picked the Rio Negro. Its black waters don't support the populations of mosquitos that clear and white water streams do. Check out all the data that he includes in his new book. Mike Wise Andrew Faust wrote: > I like this discussion too, although the only 'science' we have here is tank > observation and anecdotal evidence. Still, it may be useful to remember > we're talking about the fish *as they live in aquaria*; any knowledge of > what they are really like in the wild is only useful as a comparison tool, > not as a standard to be reached, because there's just no way an individual > can do it. Well, maybe a really crazy person (with no spouse, job, or > budget) could. Dr. Kadar wrote: > Fact: The habitat of apistos consists of shallow water with plenty of leaf > litter. Various people who have participated in fish collecting expeditions > unanimously express the difficulties involved in actually netting these fish > for obvious reasons. For these same reasons field studies of these fish are > virtually impossible. It is neither feasable nor possible for anyone to don > a facemask and snorkel or goggles in order to watch the action, so to speak, > in such shallow waters. (This is very different from African Rift Lakes.) > > ...No one has spent > months and months with snorkel and mask peering into 4 inch deep puddles in > the Amazon. And if they would, I'm sure we'd know far more about the number > of mosquito and spider bites that fit on the rear end of a human than much > else. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!