Will, Mike and everyone Hi, I got home from Cleveland about an hour ago from the OCA Cichlid Extravaganza. WOW!!!!!!!! I rode out from Syracuse NY with 2 buddies and got there around 7am saturday, yes we drove through the night. Anyways, once again the OCA put on one heck of a cichlid show and auction. Things were so good that I had filled 4 large styros with fish before this morning when the auction began. My travelling mates and myself completely filled a van with boxes of fish. Now as to where you can find Apistos and westies, they were in Cleveland with a vengence. I saw several of the rarer species available from room sales and in the auction today. If you want to find these guys, convention workshops like these are the place to go without having fish shipped to you from wholesalers, breeders and fellow hobbyests. For example, I came home with 2pairs of Aggie Red/Golds, 3 pairs of Borellis, 1pair of Bitaeniata ( finally), different stock of double red Cacatuoides to help strengthen my lines, Pel Taen Kienke, Pel Taen Nyete and tons of Victorians ( my other love cichlid wise). Well its back to putting things away, I was just taking a break. To any OCA members reading this, Thank you for the wonderful weekend. I'll be back in July for the ACA and in November again for the Extraganza. If you have never been to Cleveland for a cichlid show folks, go, these people treat you great. John Wubbolt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!