Dave What prompted the remark about believing what you see online? Was it Bob's comment about not breeding a deformed female or what? Kind of curious about your thinking. I thought that was actually good sound advice. I would never use a deformed fish as a breeder unless it was an extremely rare fish and that was all that was possibly available for eons. I've sent several fish to the community tank or to larger cichlid tanks that were deformed over the past 10 years to live out there lives or be eaten by the big boys. Never had a problem doing that in my mind. I actually grew out to adult old age a male cacatuoide double red that had awesome colors but looked like a big red balloon belly Cacatuoides. Never once thought of using him as a potential breeder even with his great colors. I didn't have the heart to feed him to the Oscars because he had such intense colors. Wish some of his brothers had his great color. He lived to almost 3 years old before retiring to the great fish school in the sky. John Wubbolt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!