Jeff, Hi, my sorter screwed up so I just got this message today. It got sorted into the apito box because of Mikes email address, I will try to get the sorter changed. It has been great to talk to you about this stuff, and hear more of what is going on. On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Jeff Magnus wrote: > I will see what we can do about a second speaker, but I don't know > when it should be done. Also, if we have 2 speakers, what would > prevent other study groups from doing the same? Eventually, it > would cut into the ACA's slotted time for their speakers. I don;t > think they would like it too much! I have thought of having a ASG > regional meeting- somewhere that oour membership was stronf > enought o pull it off. Then we could attract a host of speakers and > perhaps other study groups- something that the ACA would not > participate in. The local club could assist as well. Your thoughts? I agree, it would not be cool for all the study groups to get two speakers, it would definitely not work. Kurt will be great on the westies (and perhaps we can entice him back in the hobby) I am not sure about a convention outside of ACA, might step on toes, finding a good locale would be hard....I think we may be "stuck" with the ACA, not that I mind it. Doing vacation is very hard for Erik and I, it would be horrible to have to choose between going to the ACA convention or an ASG convention....the ASG would win every time. Now in New Orleans, Uwe gave two talks, a study group talk and a general one. It was nice to be able to have two. The bummer was, I couldn't find out what was when and drove down thurs pm, and missed Uwe's talk, I would have taken an extra day off for that. Another option, is the ACA talk....really work on getting good apisto speakers, at a reasonable time (ie Sat during the day) not Friday at midnight....probably not an easy task. And then do some special ASG functions at the convention. Have a room open for apisto chat, talk, gathering or etc one night, just so we can all mingle. We sort of do that around the talk, but not a welcome open house thing, it was fragmented in St Louis, it would be really nice to talk to people and get to know them. We need more cohesiveness as a group, I think, and of course as ever aquarium society in the country right now is needed....more participation (from reading the exchanges). You and Lisa (and Mike/Julio etc) have done a lot to bring the ASG back. I had to fight to even hear about it in '96....still took years to hear more....then there was the "Pond Scum" that faded as well (I think mostly west coast apisto newsletter/etc)/ Some people I think are still alittle hesitant to come up and talk, or get involved, a little intimated by the "big guys"....ie you, Mike, etc. I had some people come up and introduce myself and I found a few myself, but there were a lot more people at the talks. Make people feel like they belong and have a stake in something and they will fight for it more... Just some ideas and rambling....comment freely..... If you do an ASG convention, I will help out where I can, and be there unless I am stuck running the ICU or something...they wouldn't let me go (I am in residency, for internal medicine, aka slave labor in the hospital). I think best goal, aim for cool speaker next year....advertise on the apisto list....do signed books like Mike said for an extra fee from Uwe or Ingo....and then offer them to the apisto list....I don't know what the membership is on the list, but it has got to be high.... ...on the other note....ask the committed members...a questionaire...if they would contribute 10-20 towards bringing out a cool speaker. Or like I said, 20 really committed members to pay 50 each to cover airfare, and then the rest is covered by ACA (ie room or whatever they do). My time is precious to me (even more than money which says a lot with my student loans), and hearing a good speaker would be worth the 50, and definitely provide more incentive to make darn sure I was there. I am looking forward to this years ACA as well.... ...on another note, I didn't go to Detroit this year, and was shocked to see an apisto took Best of Show, awesome, is there a picture of this fish anywhere???? Kathy