John Wubbolt wrote <snip>But I do like to leave them with the parents for about 4 weeks if I can. Gives them a better chance to grow faster if left with the adults then if I steal them right away. Don't know what it is but fry left with parents do better then fry taken away from them right away. <end snip> Just pure speculation on my part. But I have noticed this also. Could it be that the fry are feeding off of the parents slime coat as a supplement, Much like discus are known to do? Would take very close observation to prove but it is curious. Erick Jones ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!