tsuh yang chen wrote: > so where in so. america are they from? > now if i could just get my panduro and Rotpunkt to breed... > tsuh yang chen, nyc, USA They're found along the main artery or the Amazon, from Central Peru to about Rio Trombetas, Brazil in both white and black water. A friend of mine (Wanda Jacobson) spawned them - she lives near Palm Springs, California and in the desert summer, the outside temps get a toasty 115°F and her fish room stays near 90°F for a couple of months. This is when she had her spawns. I dont know if temperature is that critical. What was your tank temp.? Vinny ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!