RE: Thanks!

["Frangooles, Bob" <bob.frangooles@attws.com>]

I waited a while to reply on this topic to make sure I had my thoughts
sorted out.

In retrospect if anyone should take responsibility for this causing a delay
in us getting out of there it should be me.

Yes, Sandy was being unreasonable, but she also accepted it when I initially
told her that we would be settling out the money owed for splits at a later
date. I also made the decision to allow her to give an IOU for the items she
purchased.

I then made the choice to try and correct the individual items that were in
error.  Yes she is rude, and perhaps on another day I might have given her a
piece of my mind, but given the circumstances I wanted to on a public face
(there were still other attendees around for much of the time) and show that
we are reasonable folks.

I appreciate the support I got in dealing with her.

Bob




-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Olson [mailto:kathy@thekrib.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 10:38 AM
To: gsas-board@thekrib.com
Cc: gsas-board@gsas.org
Subject: Re: Thanks!


Steve,

I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened....my response, of course it
is so easy to do on the sidelines is...."we will deal with splits after
the
auction", easy to say after the event.  I would have murdered her, or
taken her down the carpet in a
woman's brawl.  I REFUSE to let SANDY, ruin the club for me, or the board
meetings etc.  I will CONFRONT her on the behavior that bothers me, until
you guys either say cool it, or one of us quits.  Paying for the aquarium 
and holding everyone up for her measly squabble was horrible, it got me
pissed in PA.  On another note, I got a personal email
from her, wish I could forward it to the board, she really does
feel like there is "the group" (ie Click) and she is trying to break in,
and wants to be respected as a fish breeder and hence is trying to get her
place in order for the board meeting, so everyone can see her tanks and
that she is a serious aquarist etc....and win our respect etc.  Now, the
board meeting, I hope I am at this one, so I can be there to help deal
with issues.  I checked I will be there Tues the 25th.


*Suggestions
Make the person selling, keep track of the items...ie copy of there list
is printed so they have amounts and who it is sold too.  And we will
discuss discrepancies after the auction, ie via email or phone.

I am happy to confront people where I need to, and I would volunteer to be
an arbitrator where needed.

Sounds like the back room needed better organization.

I wonder about doing it where we block the exit, and give people the
auction items in the auction....they pay on their way out.(didn't someone
suggest this ?Bob) There is also that receipt system they use.  I will
talk to Portland and see how they do theirs.  At their auction, there is
NO discussion of splits, no report of what our items sold for (I think),
we just got a check in the mail.

Kathy

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, nevits wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Things went very smoothly.  I really appreciate everyone doing their jobs
> and helping out in other areas when they were done. I was watching the
> e-mail bounce around over the last week as was especially pleased to see
you
> all self organizing with out any prompting from me.  The only thing that I
> was hoping to do that didn't happen was to break up some of the more
intense
> positions and make sure everyone got a break.  Unfortunately, I don't
think
> that there is enough of us to do that.
> 
> I'm tired and struggling against going on a long rant about the insanity
of
> trying to reconcile splits at 11:00 at night when there is a ton of stuff
to
> put away, and the next board meeting is going to be at the house of the
> party in question. So, please feel free to make up your own rants on my
> behalf. All I can say is that Erik, Bob and Victoria have a lot more
> patience than I do.  I was about ready to give her $20 just so she would
> shut up.... Ops I think that I am starting to rant.
> 
> Suggestions:
> 
> * Put a sellers form, instructions  and limits in the news letter prior to
> the auction with appropriate disclaimers, including something to the
effect
> that while we try to accurately track the bids on items, we are not liable
> for errors or mistakes and all decisions made by GSAS regarding splits are
> final. While we will not take a minimum bid, the seller has the right to
> pull the item etc.
> * I definitely agree that we need to emphasize that the splits is a
service
> to help get rid of your junk, not to supplement your income.  Perhaps a
swap
> meet would be a better forum for this.  I guess we all have an upwardly
> mobile bias here and $10 means more to some of our members than it does to
> us.  If this is the case, I would definitely lean toward a swap meet so we
> can in no way be held responsible.
> * Come up with a way to settle discrepancies off line with out bogging
down
> the process.  Perhaps we need an arbitrator with the authority to make
> adjustments at their discretion.
> * Don't think that we should try and start any earlier.  We need to leave
> some time to deal with unanticipated problems.  I think that we need to
get
> the auctioneers to pick up the pace (I hope that Anne doesn't mind.) Which
> is probably best done by having four of us up there the whole time.
> * Resolve all disputes with a baseball bat.
> * Bring more change.
> * While Don Bertaloti did a fine job of organizing the back room, he
showed
> up at 7:00 with  no supplies to do his organizing which reinforces my
> reluctance to rely on people who are not on the BOD.
> 
> Other than that, I think we did good!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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