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Re: [Aca-cadre] ACA 2007 Convention / Discus Cash Award



Hi Ted,
   Anyone can enter a discus in Division D, but be aware that many of the fish will be raised by commercial breeders who have substantially more
resources to draw from and the fish are judged differently.   That is why we put them in Division D, so that the typical discus hobbyist would not
have to compete against them (unless the hobbyist wants to).  The hobbyist has two options: Division A, hobbyist class, where the discus will be
judged by ACA judging standards, and Division D, where the fish will be judged by International Discus standards (which are quite different). 

-- Ron
    rcoleman@cichlidresearch.com
    Cichlid Research Home Page <http://cichlidresearch.com>


Ted Judy wrote:
I personally have not heard negative rumblings other than the ever-repeated knock on the west coast location; but I have not heard that from the board.  When the topic appears on the ACA forum the location has been defended by the the members of the BOT who respond to the concerns.
 
As far as location vs. location, I would argue that two of the past three conventions have been located at a considerable distance from the midwest and east coast, and the results of those conventions were positive.
 
I need some clarification regarding the discus.  What is the 'commercial class'?  Is that a class set up only for commercial breeders?  If so, I do not like that precedent being set about as much as I dislike the idea of a cash award.  First a commercial class for discus, then angels, then anything else farmed, and we end up with a show that is twice as big as it is and the portion with monetary awards will get the attention over the hobbyist portion (because money seems to attract attention that way).  I do understand that the decision is not ours to make. 
 
Ted

Phil Benes <Phil.Benes@neasecorp.com> wrote:
Gang,
 
It has come to my attention via a  NADA board member, that there will be a commercial class for Discus in Sacramento that will carry a cash award.  As you all know, when this was announced in Chicago, several of you approached me and voiced your opinion that this was a bad idea for the ACA.  I contacted Carol Roberts (then chair of NADA) as well as Rich Bireley from SAS last July and was assured by both that there would not be a cash award in Sacramento.  I have copied you all on those correspondences. This is not ACA policy (as some have already pointed out to me) but it was based on good faith negotiation on behalf of ACA and SAS.
 
Well, it looks like there has been a change in direction and I would like you to all be brought-up to speed.  This is not about ACA giving approval as that is not within our powers, but is simply a means to communicate what is happening and decide on the best course of action to support SAS in their efforts.  I talked to Rich yesterday and he is telling me that they are hearing negative statements about SAS and the convention coming from the ACA.  That needs to stop and stop now as whether we agree with the cash award or not it, is a done deal as SAS has the final say in this.  Here is a copy of an email I got from Rich:
 
I've been getting some feedback that there are negative rumblings from prominent members of the ACA about the convention and it doesn't sound like they are all associated with concerns about the way we're handling the discus.

I think it would be helpful to know what the concerns are and doubly helpful for the ACA to make loud supportive noises. I'm sure you remember that a group in Chicago started the Cichlid Extravaganza in 1995 in protest of not getting awarded the convention that year. The Extravaganza has turned out to be a nice event but I consider the origins to be a bit on the dark side. The only other convention on the west coast was something like 20 years prior to '95 and all the talk I've ever heard was that it was a bust. Additionally, the SAS bid for the convention this year against no real competition. That means if we hadn't bid, the ACA would have had no convention or be in a position of putting on their own convention. We may also be the smallest club to put on a convention. If we're not the smallest, we  are certainly close.

All of these factors have forced us to think outside the box in an attempt to boost attendance as well as to be successful. This has resulted in an increase of our workload and the known concerns from the BOT.

Would it be possible for the ACA cadre to finalize their discussions about how angry they are with us and come together to help us make this convention successful? Can the cadre begin talking positively about the convention and spin things in a positive light? I think that would be exceptionally helpful at this point.
 
Rich makes an excellent case as this is as much our convention as it is SAS’s so we need to work together, not at odds.
 
I also asked for an update on how the cash award came to being and here is another email from Rich with some details in it
 
To reiterate, when we spoke last year, the idea of a cash award originating from NADA was dead. I couldn't imagine how it would even come up again, especially once Carol Roberts resigned and NADA disintegrated. I was speaking in good faith.

It would seem that Rod or Ron would be the best ones to notify you of this change since I haven't seen the final iteration. However, you can feel free to use this email as your official notification if none other is forthcoming.

Dick Au approached us with the idea of generating more entries into the show, more interest internationally by offering a cash award, creating a new division, Division D with, I believe, 5 classes, and charging a bit more for sponsorships for the division. The original discus class in Division A (I think) still exists and no changes have been made there. There is a higher entry fee for this division because all tanks in the division will be 20's with tops and a light. I need to have Rod give you the complete details, but I think these are the critical ones. As both Ron and I said previously, this all came about pretty much fully-formed in just about one week. The time frame for it was so tight that once we thought it was a good idea, we implemented it in the registration, and a few short days later we heard from you. We had not been planning this for months or even weeks!

We had been in contact with Dick Au all along and were constantly brainstorming to come up with a way to make this a big discus show. NADA was gone as far as we knew. They'd left me with egg on my face last summer in Chicago so we were not counting on them to do anything or follow through on anything, regardless of what they might say. This was pretty much not a problem anyway since, for all intents and purposes, they were nonexistent during this time. As I've said all along, I'm not a discus guy. I have no plans to become a discus guy. This isn't about me, Rod or Ron. We were faced with the registration deadline (to get the registration on line up and running), and all the little details that we needed to have to do so. It was stressful, to say the least. My wife did the shopping cart to create the registration on line web site. We felt that Chicago's solution, RegOnLine was prohibitively expensive for us. It was expensive last year and the costs had increased dramatically since. So, we had to nail down all the prices for t-shirts, the final cost for the banquet, reverify the trip costs, and figure out if we were doing anything differently with discus than had been done before. Dick emailed us with his idea for the new division. We talked with Chuck Rambo. Chuck and Dick agreed to work together on sponsorships so that we didn't take anything away from the ACA/SAS to support the discus. In our minds and as suggested by Dick, at the very least, the discus show must be revenue neutral and must not detract from the usual sponsors who normally support the ACA conventions.

As you're aware, the convention comes to the west coast about once in a blue moon (it's been 12 years this time and more than that prior). There has been an ongoing complaint that people in the midwest and back east won't support our conventions (I really don't understand why that is) and that revenues from west coast conventions are not as good as those from other conventions. This has hung over our heads and left us searching for ideas to increase registrations and the visibility of the ACA convention.

We believe that the changes to the show will bring show entries and more people registering for the convention. This translates directly into dollars for the ACA. We also believe that if people come in because of the discus, they will see what the ACA has to offer and why 'real' fish are so interesting. As Ron said so well in his email, California is a very diverse state with a large and vital Asian community. We're hoping to tap into that community, get their participation in the convention, and generate dollars from that participation.

This could be used as an experiment by the ACA. If it works and the ACA makes good money from it, the ACA may consider trying to continue this If it doesn't work well or the ACA feels strongly that this is the wrong direction, the ACA can formally write the conditions of the show into the convention bid negotiations.

I realize that some clubs may feel it's not difficult to take on the challenge of an ACA convention, however, to a club like the SAS, this is a big and stressful deal. There is great concern about doing poorly either financially or organizationally. There is a significant risk to the SAS if we don't do well. While we certainly appreciate every offer of help and wish we could take you and others up on it, we actually don't know what to ask for help on. Exactly how could you or Rusty help? After July, I'll bet we realize there are many ways either or both of you could have assisted us but we honestly don't know what those ways are right now. So we work away, brainstorm on ways to increase participation, and hope that our hard work will pay off for both the ACA and the SAS.

If you have any questions I could answer or you would like me to expound upon any topic, please let me know.
 
As a former convention chair, my advice is that we need to be supportive of SAS and if we have concerns, they should be brought-up so they can be discussed and hopefully resolved.  Keep in mind, the way that our convention guidelines are written, the host club has the final say no matter what we all may or may not want to do.  I am confident that SAS has the best interests of the ACA in mind, so let’s keep that thought, also.  And if you are one of the prominent members talking trash, please stop it.
 
Phil
 
 
 
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