Re: [GSAS-board] Proposed email

["Seattle_Aquarist" <Seattle_Aquarist@comcast.net>]

Hi Phil,

Is that is a "second" to my motion?  If so, then we can request Meredith to
call a vote of the board members.

Roy

-----Original Message-----
From: gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com]
On Behalf Of Phil Lacefield Jr.
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:03 AM
To: 'GSAS board members and alumni'
Subject: Re: [GSAS-board] Proposed email

But I really do think that a one-time post IS EXACTLY what he's asking for.
He's not asking to hit the list every day with ads and specials; he's asking
for feedback on his website, and offering up a nice prize/payment for ideas
that help him out. 

Were this one of our sponsors asking for access to the mailing list, in
order to send out direct-mail spam, I think you'd find Erik and I both
side-by-side standing guard over that crusty old Linux box with teeth bared,
weapons drawn and sweaty bandanas wrapped securely around our heads.  Ain't
NOBODY gonna get access to the GSAS mailing list, not if *I* have anything
to say about it.

I'd say we let him do it with open arms, but with the caveat that he doesn't
make a habit of it, and that he sends any submission he'd like to post in
the future to the board for approval first.  Again, I think this is fair and
reasonable, and I believe that if Jonas or Denny or anyone else wish to do
the same thing, we should first look at what they want to send, then
approve/decline accordingly.

Phil




-----Original Message-----
From: gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com]
On Behalf Of Seattle_Aquarist
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM
To: 'GSAS board members and alumni'
Subject: Re: [GSAS-board] Proposed email

Hi All,

When I signed up with GSAS and provided my e-mail address I did not
authorize the distribution of that address or the use of that address for
the dissemination of information other than our monthly newsletter.  I was
told that my e-mail address was provided for access to the GSAS Member Chat
and for receipt of the electronic version of our newsletter, Northwest
Aquaria.  I did not authorize its use for any other purpose.  I do feel
strongly that using our e-mail address list in this manner would not be in
the best interest of the club.

I have not seen a monthly posting from Hiro (or for that matter seen Hiro at
a meeting) in quite some time.  "Lowcoaster" did not put the posts on our
GSAS Member Chat, GSAS members did.  Hiro's posts as well as the
"Lowcoaster" postings were done on our GSAS Member Chat, not as a
distribution to the e-mail addresses of all of our members.

I appreciate the fact that Dave wants to improve his website, and thus
increase his business.  A compromise alternative might be to allow Dave to
put a "one-time" post on our GSAS Member Chat and request feedback on his
website (not to promote business or "specials")?  That way our members do
not receive an unsolicited email from the club and Dave can receive feedback
from individuals that are interested in purchasing from online vendors.

Therefore, as a board member, I move that: "We allow Dave to do a "one-time
only" post to the GSAS Member Chat to solicit feedback on his website, not
to promote sales of any products or services."  Do I hear a "second" from
the board?

Roy 

-----Original Message-----
From: gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com]
On Behalf Of Erik Olson
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:09 AM
To: GSAS board members and alumni
Subject: Re: [GSAS-board] Proposed email

Also, regardless of what Clay said about slippery slope, consider that 
we've had things like "lowcoaster"'s plant list posted, as well as Hiro's 
monthly postings of stuff for sale (not auction -- straight sale).

So, can we get an executive decision?  Looking at the board members 
opinions, it seems to be roughly "tied"...

   - Erik

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Paul M. Wallace wrote:

> I agree with Eric & Phil.  The stock looked a little thin (food) and the
prices were normal.
>
> -Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com
[mailto:gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com] On Behalf Of Erik Olson
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:41 PM
> To: GSAS board members and alumni
> Subject: Re: [GSAS-board] Proposed email
>
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009, Phil Lacefield Jr. wrote:
>
>> I think y'all are missing the point here.  He's asking for GSAS member
>> input on his website, and is willing to pay for good ideas in product
>> - this is certainly more than worthy of the mailing lists' attention.
>> He is also offering a 10% discount to GSAS members, which is what most
>> of our sponsor stores offer as well.  I cannot possibly imagine that
>> anything he's asking for would in any way offend any of our club
sponsors, nor would I be opposed if any (or all!) of those same sponsors
wanted to post something to the list as well.
>>
>> While our newsletter is great, and gets the news out once a month, the
>> mailing list is immediate and direct.  My feeling is that he's asking
>> for help, and mentioning his discount; if Blue Sierra or Denny's or
>> anyone else wanted to do a similar announcement to the list, I'd say
>> they should be more than welcome to do so, within reason of course
>> (i.e. not overdo it, no weekly spam mails, etc.) I'd go so far as to
>> say we might want to remind our sponsoring stores that this option is
open to them as well; what better perk for supporting the club than an
occasional direct message to the membership?
>
> Couldn't have said it better myself.  He's a local guy, club member even
(I think).  He's trying to figure out why his online business (selling a
dozen or so items... at prices similar to or more expensive than Drs Foster
and Smith...) isn't getting any traction.  He's looking for critique and
input, not advertising.
>
> I told him straight up when he was at our house yesterday that we didn't
do banner ads on the website.  Actually suggested that he could put his
website in his signature on his posts & he might get some attention that
way.
>
>   - Erik
>
>

-- 
Erik Olson                                                        Sent from
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erik at thekrib dot com
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