This product was discussed extensively in various forums including the one you mentioned as well as in a couple of planted aquaria magazines. They all came to the same conclusion: "Give me a break!" In addition, nobody is quite sure what negative affects these laser products may have on fish. Generally, fish determine vertical direction by which way the light (sun) is coming in. As an experiment sometime, dim all lights in the room where your tank is and aim a desk lamp at one of the sides. Many fish start swimming sideways (especially angels). Also, I KNOW that shining lasers in MY eye is bad, and I'm guessing that tropicals haven't evolved some sort of laser defense mechanism in their corneas. ;-) Another product that's just snake oil I'm afraid. This hobby is full of them. Watch out for all the new "It's just like CO2 gas!" products out there. All bunk. </rant> -Chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-gsas-member@thekrib.com [mailto:owner-gsas-member@thekrib.com] On Behalf Of Charter Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:54 AM To: gsas-member@thekrib.com Subject: Intro/laser hype question I'm new to the list, too! I live in Seattle. Hi everyone! Parallel to my recent posting to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc, the other day I happened to run across some of these new LED/laser aquarium decorations (the action diving dogs of the new millennium). I noticed that the box claimed that this particular accessory "improves fish health." The website (www.miraclebeam.com) includes an article titled "Study of Effects of Laser on Tropical Ornamental Fish," by the China Academy of Sciences 1998. The study claims that exposure to "laser radiation" will increase the incubation rate of eggs, increase the growth of fry, and produce stronger fish with better disease resistance. Unfortunately (but not unexpectedly) the report is evidently in excerpt form, and lacks any ACTUAL DATA. Now clearly, this is a load of crap. And quite frankly, I'm getting fed up with all the marketing nonsense that crowds the fish aisles these days. I recently purchased a pair of feeder-breeder platies, and I feel the scientific urge coming on! I'd hate to duplicate efforts, though. Has anyone here done, or read an article on, comparative research regarding the scientific claims of the MiracleBeam system? Thanks! - Erika On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, JayJ Gurango wrote: > Hello all :) > > I just wanted to introduce myself to the group and say Hi :) > > -JayJ Gurango- > -A.K.A. [Ketamine!]- > >