Hi Matt one of the reasons(stay away from live feed in the summertime) is the parasitic rates seems to rise in the summer months with cold water fish(goldfish)...Sounds like you have a good recipe also... Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt kaufman" <igotadose@hotmail.com> To: <gsas-member@thekrib.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Anyone making there own frozen foods? > A couple comments. > > 1) there's 'cocktail' ice trays that are little, well, the ice cubes look a > bit like the heads of bullets when they come out. Work great. Check out a > dollar store. > > Frozen egg crate? Somehow I don't believe it'll be flexible enough and that > stuff's nasty when it breaks. > > 2) The originator of the thread hasn't ever made his own paste foods. I've > done this for years, here's my observations: > 1) beefheart-based mixes require a lot of work. Beef hearts are > *huge* and some can be really veiny, so you need to cut them up a lot. The > food really fattens up fish. For some reason, the discusophiles think > beefheart is gods gift to fishkeeping, you can make many kinds of paste food > that work well without dealing with the mess of beefheart. One discus > breeder friend of my, Bing Seto, uses liver. Beef hearts can be hard to get > from the grocery, too ,there's not a huge demand. Never mind the mess the > uneaten stuff makes of the tank. It's important to know what fish you're > feeding when you make your mix. You don't want to feed meaty foods to, say, > algae-eating catfish or small, delicate insectivorous fish like tetras - > they'll get fatty liver disease pretty easily. > > Personally, in my opinion, beefheart's a waste of time. I've tried it on > cichlids, killies, tetras, catfish, they'll eat it certainly but its not > worth the hassle to obtain and prepare. I think the discusophiles use it > because either Wattley or Schmidt-Focke used it in the old days and ergo > that made it good. Discus aren't pirhana - how many wild discus have ever > tasted beef? > 2) Here's my lazy-man paste food recipe that's worked for me for > years, everything eats it and its not so messy when it is uneaten plus the > fish don't seem to suffer from fatty liver disease afterwards: I use the > cheapest possible fish-based cat food I can find. 9 lives Tuna works well. 1 > 6.5 oz can of tuna, a large jar of baby food peas and another of carrots, > plus 4 envelopes knox gelatin. Mix everything together except the gelatin. > Follow the recipe on the gelatin box, prepare the gelatin (basically, > microwave it with some water), mix in the food, and then put into a gallon > freezer bag. Works like a charm. Sometimes, I add random cans of flaked food > (like if I got extras at an auction) and once I had some fish vitamins, > though I doubt fish vitamins, no expiration date. I don't add beta carotene > or paprika or whatever, mostly because if I plan to give/sell the fish, I'd > like them to look the same when the buyer gets them home as when I deliver > them, beta-carotene induced color tends to fade. > > /rant > > Matt > PS > Some guy was selling paste food at the WCW in April. I bought some, fish > seemed to like it but it wasn't the best fish food I've ever found. > PPS > The original thread said "Since its summer, I don't want to do live food." > Why not? Live food is good any time of year, and it seems like everyone out > here has a daphnia pond :-) > > > > > > > >From: rick-rose@comcast.net > >Reply-To: gsas-member@thekrib.com > >To: gsas-member@thekrib.com > >Subject: Re: Anyone making there own frozen foods? > >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:09:00 +0000 > > > >What an EXCELLENT idea! > > > >- Rick > > > > > > > You could press the food into a fluorescent lighting grid (egg crate) to > > > form the food into small cubes. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Holly" <holly@ourglasshouse.com> > > > To: <gsas-member@thekrib.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:18 PM > > > Subject: RE: Anyone making there own frozen foods? > > > > > > > > > > Me too, that sounds like a tasty fishy meal! > > > > > > > > How if only they made ice cube trays with very small cubes like the > > > > mini-blocks you can buy of frozen fish food from the lfs. I would > >love to > > > > make my own pre-measured cubes. > > > > > > > > Holly ~ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-gsas-member@thekrib.com > >[mailto:owner-gsas-member@thekrib.com] > > > > On Behalf Of Tony > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:04 PM > > > > To: gsas-member@thekrib.com > > > > Subject: Re: Anyone making there own frozen foods? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Paul > > > > > > > > This sounds like a great recipe any measurement on the supplements? > >Also > > > > does shirmp work as a binder? I've heard of using gelatin(clear, > > > unflavored) > > > > as a binder. Ever try that...This seems like a nice simple sweet > >recipe, > > > I'm > > > > gonna try this. Thanks Tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Paul Winchester" <bravo454@hotmail.com> > > > > To: <gsas-member@thekrib.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:57 PM > > > > Subject: RE: Anyone making there own frozen foods? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I make a forzen beefheart mix for my discus. I start with whole > > > > > beefhearts and trim any fat. The cut it into smaller cubes which I > > > > > further chop up in > > > > a > > > > > blender. Add approximately 20% shimp and/or fish for a binder, also > > > > > "blended". Then mix in chopped fresh garlic, forzen spinich, vitamin > >B > > > > > and calcium ( in powdered form from capsules), spirulina and paprika > > > > > for color enhancement. > > > > > > > > > > Mix it all up in a bowl and put mix in 1 gallon freezer bags so they > > > > > are about 1/4 thick when laid flat then freeze it. > > > > > > > > > > To serve the fish I slice off a piece and chop it into bit sized > > > > > pieces. > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Tony" <Loxxxo@comcast.net> > > > > > >Reply-To: gsas-member@thekrib.com > > > > > >To: <gsas-member@thekrib.com> > > > > > >Subject: Anyone making there own frozen foods? > > > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:45:15 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >Since the summer is here I usually try to stay away from live foods > > > > > >for some of my fish. So I was thinking about a recipe for my own > > > > > >frozen food, for example beefheart, shrimp cubes. Does anyone have > >a > > > > > >recipe of there own > > > > or > > > > > >better question does anyone make there own frozen meals? Tony > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, please send mail to > > > > majordomo@thekrib.com > > > > > > with "Unsubscribe gsas-member" in the body of the message. > > > > > > Archives of this list can be found at > > > > > > http://lists.thekrib.com/gsas-member/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups - now 3 months > > > > > FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, please send mail to > > > > > majordomo@thekrib.com with "Unsubscribe gsas-member" in the body of > > > > > the message. 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