Betty, you were the first person I thought of when the BAP/HAP was explained. I'd read about it at the GSAS site, too and thought, "Whoa...that's way to deep for me" :) Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional. -- haika@drizzle.com wrote: I know that I browsed through some of the rules I found on-line for these programs. It was a bit daunting <G>. I was so proud of myself for spawning and actually rearing to adulthood some wild-type honey gouramis. I ran into real problems figuring out how to get those little babies through their initial air-breathing days. When I actually got some fry that looked like they were going to make it, I was thrilled. But I didn't have TEN babies make it, and I wasn't gonna give them all to folks <G>...at least until I knew whether I could maintain this breeding pool. So much for my BPA points <G>. UPDATE: The honey gourami fry are now coloring up. I know I have at least one male! I've got 6 that made it to adulthood....now, it'll be interesting to see if I can get a second-generation. Betty Goetz (not volunteering to be BAP chair <G>) > Actually, the real value of BAP and HAP programs is that they encourage > breeding, trading and publicising results in a known location (i.e., at > the meetings or in the newsletter). Not quite so impactful these days as > everyone's only a click away, but on the other hand, how else would we > have known Paul's now the Diversifolia King? > > For some clubs, like Portland, the BAP provides income for the club, as > all fry to be considered for BAP "points" are given to the club for > auction at each meeting. And those fish auctioned off then go to others > in the club to try & spawn. > > The other bit that was important in easlier BAP/HAP incarnations was not > just mass of material, or number of species, but also breadth... has > anyone out there reproduced an aquatic plant from flower? I haven't. > But I think it's required to attain grand-master-horticulturist status. > > In our club, there has in the last decade been a bit of a curse > associated with the BAP chair, though. Seems that everytime someone > decides to take on the job, the following month they rewrite the rules, > and two months later they are never heard from again. > > - Erik > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Paul M Wallace wrote: > >> Look under 'contests' on the gsas.org website as they are both award >> programs >> that are dormant. >> >> I am looking forward to the day I can have a framed piece of paper >> stating >> that I can indeed grow plants. Maybe even a gold seal so I know that I >> am >> truely importaint. >> >> -Paul >> >> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, auntie.fran@netzero.net wrote: >> >>> >>> You beat me to it, Anita :) >>> >>> >>> Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional. >>> >>> -- "A JACOBSON" <amjacobson52@msn.com> wrote: >>> Okay, what's a BaP? And an HAP? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Paul M Wallace<mailto:pwallace@u.washington.edu> >>> To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member >>> chat<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] BAP/HAP >>> >>> >>> QUOTE/-matt kaufman >>> Too bad GSAS doesn't have a BaP, then everyone would want Endler's >>> livebearers >>> and other easy fish :-) >>> /QUOTE >>> >>> Or a HAP. I bought a bunch of Eichhornia diversifolia at the auction >>> that >>> I clocked at over an inch a day... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GSAS-Member mailing list >>> GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com> >>> >>> http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GSAS-Member mailing list >>> GSAS-Member@thekrib.com >>> http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GSAS-Member mailing list >>> GSAS-Member@thekrib.com >>> http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GSAS-Member mailing list >> GSAS-Member@thekrib.com >> http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member >> > > -- > Erik Olson > erik at thekrib dot com > _______________________________________________ > GSAS-Member mailing list > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member > _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member