That's an interesting observation, John. Are those fish by chance cichlids? We have three tanks and the only one that are, as you say, skittish, are the cichlids. The other two either ignore us or beg for food. Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional. -- John Ruhland <john@drruhland.com> wrote: I've been reading a bit about prisoners rights, criminal justice, etc. Our fish are kind of like penned prisoners. Other than my Oscar, most of my fish tend to be skittish when I walk by, except when they are hungry. I put a bit of epsom salts in all the tanks to help them relax a bit. John On Apr 1, 2005, at 8:05 PM, DELPHILABS@aol.com wrote: Hello all, I am glad that I started this thread -- some good observations. My own theory is that our fish in tanks are much more stressed than in nature. Try as we might, the environments we create are no substitute for nature. I think that our aquarium fish are much more susceptible to disease than the same fish in nature. Sudden temp changes could be the straw that breaks the camels back. Also, using Clay's fine analogy, the kid that lives in the Pacific Northwest and is in and out of doors all day long is much more robust and acclimated to endure a wide range of temp change. A kid that spent his whole life in Hawaii puts on a coat when it gets below 70 degrees. Maybe if we cycled the temperatures in our aquariums the fish would become more tolerant? This is fun, how about a couple more? Has anyone had a fish that hangs around a hot heater like you would expect of a cold blooded reptile? I've never seen that in my tanks. Also, my observation diving all over the world, is that most species are always in pairs (or schools) in nature. You especially see this in Butterfly's and Angels. I used to keep a lot of single fish when I did saltwater aquaria years ago. If I ever get back into it, I will ALWAYS try to get pairs. I wonder if any of my fish ever died from "loneliness" :-( Keith ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [\ }<)))((("> }<"> }<"> }<"> Keith Anderson Olympia, WA _Visit Delphi Labradors_ (http://hometown.aol.com/delphilabs/page1.html) _Ensign Roy Jones USNR_ (http://hometown.aol.com/delphilabs/page8.html) _Triumph webpage_ (http://hometown.aol.com/delphilabs/page5.html) _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member Dr. John F. Ruhland The Natural Health Medical Clinic 4002 - 25th Avenue S, Seattle, WA 98108 206-723-4891 www.drruhland.com _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member