What I have been doing (for the third time) is shutting down the black screw top that comes with the tank. If the valve to shut of the whole tank is a needle valve, I would be surprised. So, I think the correct term for what I had been doing is turning off the main valve. BUT, Erik's suggestion worked, which actually was to shut of the needle-valve instead of turning off the tank. So, NOW, as of today, I am shutting it off using the needle valve and with the pressure lower, like 10 or 15 psi instead of 20. I thought silicone was better than vinyl. At least, that's what June Olberding used, and I got her stuff for taking care of her 20-30 planted tank room. If I am wrong, someone please correct me. She has blue tubing going from regulator to the main needle valve and I am using about two inches green silicone tubing from the needle valve, to the check valve, then to the line reducer for the mini-vinyl line to the diffusers which are placed in the aquarium and make CO2 bubbles which make the plants grow. Susan -----Original Message----- From: gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:gsas-member-bounces@thekrib.com] On Behalf Of none Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:55 AM To: gsas-member@thekrib.com Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] CO2 blah blah Sounds to me like you are shuting down the needle valve and not the regulator itself. this allows a decent amount of pressure build up to be expelled in the morning. you need a silenoid and a timer to auto-shut the whole thing down at night. Also silecone tubing is the worst thing you can use for CO2. Def swap out to some polyurithane tubing or at least normal vinyl airline tubing. The DR F&S kit you priced out is the super deluxe one. you can get the basics for much cheaper. around 120. the Azoo and JBJ and Milewaukee regulators are all basically the same thing. If you want some quality CO2 parts talk to www.rexgrigg.com that guy's outta portland and only uses quality parts. >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:01:34 -0800 >From: "Susan Welenofsky" <welenofsky@comcast.net> >Subject: [GSAS-Member] CO2 Systems >To: "GSAS Member Chat" ><gsas-member@thekrib.com> >Message-ID: <001001c753eb$68f11b00$7947aa43@Hero> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I have June O's CO2 regulator, and I think the >brass things are needle >valves. The trouble is when I have more that one >connection, it's all >screwy. I shut the valve off at night. When I turn it >on, it is high >pressure, sometimes blows the silicone hoses. >then I have to adjust the pressure valve. Then the pressure goes way down after awhile, and I have to readjust. Then adjust all the needle valves. Then move the hoses. Then the CO2 pours out or doesn't come out all. Then fiddle with the needle valves again. Then there was the time all the gas escaped into the apartment. This thing is driving me crazy. It seems like I can only run one tank successfully, when I'd like to do two or three, like June. However, I would like to turn it off at night, right? Does anyone here know of a good system or can direct me to someone or someplace that does? I see that it may cost $322 at Drs. Foster and Smith for a complete package that has an Azoo regulator. I've heard the JBL regulators on Ebay are no good and Milwaukee is, and of course ADA is the most expensive money can buy. _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member