Yeah I agree. Once again, I hate to sound like a downer. I think that the ecospheres look awesome! I just can't justify getting one now that I know the opae ula can live much longer in better conditions. I've always been of the approach in aquaria to try and create an environment that is the best for my fish/shrimp. Thats one reason I got into the planted tanks. I know that the species I keep love to have shelter to weave in and out of. therefore having vegetation in my aquariums help them in that aspect. It is also very beautiful to look at. Sorry again. I hope you enjoy your ecosphere regardless. -BN Steev Ward <steevward@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks for the information Bryan. You make some good points. Alot I suppose would depend on what philosophical stance you take on the longevity of invertebrates in captivity. Dr. Wayne Nishijima sounds very credible indeed, despite the fact that the webpage mentioned is promoting his own competing system. I'm all for having better systems. Steev --- Bryan Nichols wrote: > Well in reality halocaridina rubra are an incredible species of "super > shrimp" known > to live more than 20 years in captivity with the proper conditions > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halocaridina. Seven years is not really that > long for > these guys. > > There are numerous other websites including this one: > http://www.fukubonsai.com/M-L2d.html on the subject. This website shows the > research > of Dr. Wayne Nishijima of the Univ of Hawaii. It describes in detail why the > ecosphere is flawed. A Dr. is credible enough for me. > > " Each time the opae-ula molt, they step out of a larger shell and a new > smaller > shell hardens around them. Shrinking opae-ula are the same as skinny > people or > animals whose gaunt appearance and ribs sticking out are clear signs of > being > malnourished! If children or animals were starved as badly as these > opae-ula, the > parents, owners, or zookeepers would very quickly be in jail! > > The low indoor light where opae-ula jars are kept do not > support > the growth of high-energy algae equal to the type of algae that grows in > the full > sun in the anchialine ponds. The algae that grows in low light just does > not have > the nutritional value even if the opae-ula ate enough to always be "full." > They > survive but their shrinking indicates that they are malnourished. > > > Anyone observing opae-ula in their natural habitats > knows that > opae-ula are voracious eaters! A healthy pond producing opae-ula has very > little > algae growth as the opae-ula is constant grazer that keeps the algae down. > A pond > with a lot of algae is a pond that likely has exotic fish and threatened > opae-ula! > > > Anchialine pond algae growing in full sun is believed to > contains a significantly higher amount of nutritional value that the algae > that > grows on the inner walls of opae-ula jars that are kept in low indoor light. > Fuku-Bonsai theorized that chill-dried spirulina provided the same or higher > nutritional value of the full sun anchialine pond algae and it seems too! " > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member