Where do you get them??? I have never seen one at a LFS. (SORRY Phil, I didnt read your post before I asked the question (ie last post) I confess I have been wondering why no one does trim, and just figured no one was on digest form! I will be more conscious of it in the future, I promise) Connie _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member