Morning Everyone, I've been cheating, reading the posts on the archives rather than waiting for the digest version to arrive. I'd just like to make some housekeeping comments - The list is available in two formats - as separate messages and as a digest. Please make sure that you are subscribed to the version that you wish to get. The problem that many of you on the "regular (separate message) version" of the list had with my e-mail address showing up in the "reply" area rather than "aga-contest@thekrib.com" has been fixed by Erik. Archives of the list are avaiable at the following URL: http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest/ . If you have just joined us, please review the messages already posted - there aren't many, but it might bring everyone up to speed and prevent duplication. Now, onto the "meat and potatoes"... One thing I'd like to make very clear up front is that I hope this can be organized as an AGA event. I know that perhaps not everyone here is currently a member of the organization but the "fit" between the stated purpose of the AGA and my vision for this "contest/showcase" seems, to me at least, to be perfect. Anyone who disagrees with me can state their opinion, but let's not start a slagging match about AGA vs APD. They are different things entirely. [Implied _end_ of discussion!] Timeframes - I don't expect that announcements for this contest will be going out anytime soon - not on the scale of the next few weeks anyway. This has to be organized correctly and to do that is going to take a while. If it is to be a success, it is also going to have to be promoted - and by promotion I mean much more than an announcement on the APD and perhaps USENET. I would like us to be able to, once we are ready, issue notices to the major magazines, both in the US and in the UK if possible, announcing the contest, giving the details and inviting submissions. Print magazines have long lead times that must be taken into consideration. There is also the possibility of sending out notices to Pet/Aquarium stores and Aquarium Clubs, or having folks from this list contacting their local organizations, to promote the idea of the contest. This will take time to do - so let's not get excited about WHEN just yet. [I'd prefer if we not even address this issue YET - we have too much else to cover first.] As I see it, we have the following covered, or in progress: 1. This is going to be an Aquascaping Competition, open to aquarists everywhere. 2. The scope of the contest is the Planted Freshwater Aquarium. [this automatically rules out Marine Reef Tanks, and I suggest that pretty photos of backyard Ponds also be ruled out as the focus is Aquascaping, not necessarily Photography. But I'm open to discussion on this latter point, should anyone have something to say.] 3. Submissions should be acceptable in as many formats as is possible to be inclusive of as many people as possible. This will mean that we will accept hard copy photographs, in various sizes; transparencies (of whatever size and format Erik and/or others are capable of handling); as well as electronic images. 4. Notice is to be made that images may be adjusted for colour, contrast and brightness, but that "altered" or "doctored" images will be automatically rejected [the decision will rest with the Judges and/or Erik, who has the experience to tell the difference]. 5. All submissions are non-returnable - so we will have to inform people to only submit copies of their originals or accept the fact that they aren't going to be getting the originals back. 6. All submissions shall become the property of the AGA [again, should the AGA accept the proposal] and that body has the right to publish any or all entries in any format they see fit [electronic, on the WWW at the AGA web-site; CD-ROM, which will be sold; in print either in TAG, the AGA publication, or in any othe print publication (e.g. AFM, AJ, etc.)] to promote either the contest or the AGA. Any published photographs will list the name of the aquascaper/photographer in a credit line - but no other form of payment will be made. 7. Erik may publish all entries on the AGA web-site. 8. We need a "point of contact" for the contest, possibly multiple "points of contact" - one for information only, another for either information and/or submission of entries. As it appears that Erik is the one with the ability to handle the scanning of both prints AND slides, I suggest that he would be the logical point for "Submission of Entries". I can handle any electronic requests for information (e-mail). Listing too many "information sources" and/or multiple places where enteries may be submitted would only cause confusion - and could lead to slightly different versions of the information being given out and/or submissions getting lost in the mail. Full details could also be placed on the AGA web-site. Have I missed anything covered so far? Please let's not move to anything new until we can all agree on the above. If we start trying to cover too many things at once we'll never get anywhere. Thanks, James Purchase Toronto