Thank you George, for your input. You don't _have_ to be an AGA member to participate. Many people here are not I think that AGA sponsorship is important, but have deliberately sought input from a wider audience. My initial thoughts for how this might work/be accomplished/be received have not changed much - I want something which is as open and flexible as possible, as "entrant friendly" as possible, as comprehensive (at least as far as it's pool of potential entrants is concerned) as possible. I would like this to be a sort of "snapshot" of the state of aquascaping, in countries around the world, at this point in time. Notice please. that I did NOT say state of the art. I am not so concerned with this being a Contest, nor with the fear you expressed about "Novices" vs. "Experts". Please see my post in the Archives (http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest/) "Artistic vs. Mechanical" - July 15, for my $20.00 on that topic. If we structure this (or even if we keep _thinking_ of this) as a traditional "Contest", I fear that it will never happen, or if it does it will be a dismal failure. This must be an inclusive arena where _all_ feel welcome, irrespective of age, experience level in the hobby, or skill. Not that I'm envisioning a "free for all", far from it. As this is the first time (that I am aware of, and I have been around for quite a while) that something like this has been attempted, I think it would be a mistake on our part, at least this time around, to limit ourselves, the contest or our potential entrants, by setting in stone a series of artificial and preconceived "Categories". See my comment above - ["snapshot" of the state of aquascaping]. We don't KNOW what that "state" is yet - that's why I suggested this in the first place. We design the event, get it accredited (by the AGA), decide on a time frame and a date, make the announcement in as many venues as possible, and hope to God that _someone_ sends in a submission. If necessary, we proselytize like crazy, in as many places and as many countries, as we can. Once we have the entries in hand and scanned into a computer, _then_ we can set to work sorting them out. I've already described the physical process of _how_ we could do it in one of my earlier posts. But the "Categories" we sort by could be any number of ways - we could do it by Country (how do Americans/Canadians compare to Europeans?) or region of a Country (i.e. how do Bostonians do it as compared to Californians?). We could do it by Experience level (such information can be requested of each entrant, on an honor system). We could do it along sizes of set-up, regardless of other concerns. Or we could even do it along traditional "Categories" lines, as a lot of people seem to favor. My point being, that this IS NOT a traditional event. All images will be in electronic format, stored on a hard drive. Using the miracle of software, we can make "thumbnails" of each image which take up very little storage space and can be downloaded quickly even over a phone line. In our "exhibit area", which will exist only as a Web-site in Cyber Space, we can set up virtual "rooms" where like "thumbnails" can be grouped together and displayed using browser software. Each thumbnail can be hyper-linked to the larger, more detailed image so that when clicked upon it calls up that image and displays it in a separate window on the viewer's monitor. The SAME image (or entry) can have _multiple_ thumbnails existing in any number of separate virtual "rooms" of our exhibit space. They don't take up enough physical space on the hard drive to require us to restrict this.The same _original_ image can thus be viewed in multiple contexts and compared to multiple other entries. In this way, the viewer can experience the images in various ways, and compare them in various ways, to suit _their_ prejudices and _not_ ours. I just don't like the idea of constraining this. Or of shoehorning it into a traditional, preconceived structure. The beauty and the power of the WWW (and I think there is an epistle on _that_ in the Archives as well) is that it frees the viewer from traditional structure. You don't _have _ to start at page 1 and move sequentially through to page 10 - you can hyper-jump into another universe altogether if you wish, at any time. The experience is yours to create. Imagine the freedom, imagine the power. It is quite clear to me, from reading the many posts which have been made, that I am the only one who sees this in this way. My job right now, as I see it, is to effect a paradigm shift (sorry for the word, but it is the correct term) in the thinking of everyone here. STOP thinking along traditional lines. This is Cyber Space, NOT the municipal arena where your local club holds its contests. We don't HAVE to do this the old way. "Our goal is to explore new worlds, new civilizations, to boldly go where no-one has gone before..." Sorry for the flight of fantasy... I know that I do get carried away at times. But the potential of this idea excites me so much, and could be such a "blast" for the entrants and the viewers, that I just can't help myself. and it IS possible to do it, if ONLY people would let go of their reliance of how things have been done in the past. James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest