The problem is James that you are trying to make everybody happy and giving people too many alternatives, and taking account for too many possible problems, issues, that might happen, no matter how remote. This is why is seems to have gotten much more complicated than it needs to be. I agree with Roger and Olga and David. The whole issue got started becuase one or two people became intimadted over the possiblity of this being a SERIOUS competition. Does that mean unless we cater to that feeling that we would not be able to attract enough people? I actually like the idea of having both a showcase and a more professional contest. It doesnt have to be complicated or alot more work, but somehow I suspect that it will be. What is bogging this down is hashing over things that are unimportant...freshwater or brackish, real rocks or fake ones....Its a planted aquascape contest, plain and simple, who in their right mind would enter a rock garden? They wouldnt unless we openly invite them to, and why should we? I know you want to keep focused, but by keeping things simple you remain focused. And I personally do not care for Kens not so subtle threat to be soon an "ex AGA member" Robert Hudson San Jose, CA ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest