Sorry if I'm going "arty" again on you Olga..... I'll try to restrain myself.... <g> But please stop knocking Zen.... at least _try_ to be open minded about _other_ approaches. We are here to plan an International event which just _might_ attract a few "Amano" style tanks. Our judging guidelines should be flexible enough to allow for the fair evaluation of things like "concept" and "execution" in addition to the more concrete items which have been mentioned. My comments about cats and turnips is really more directed to the issue that the cat owner is really not responsibe for the genes which makes the cat a sealpoint Siamese or a long hair Angora. That's in God's hands (or Buddah's <g>). But the aquarist is responsible about which plants/decorative materials he or she chooses, their placement in the aquarium and the over-all effect achieved. ("Concept", "Execution"). Sorry if this is too "arty"..... <g> I DO like the criteria which you listed. I just don't like adding the point issue RIGHT NOW. We shall get there, but not yet. Let's settle on CRITERIA first, then we can worry about which of those criteria are more or less important in the scheme of things later. That's ALL I'm saying about the "points" issue. B.T.W., Amano is VERY into color (colour) ("hue" for the technically correct folks). In his latest book, Aquarium Plant Paradise, he makes extensive comments about including red plants in an aquascape for punch. But an aquascape can be quite successeful without it - it is something which has to be considered in conjunction with "concept". We can't penalize an aquascape which lacks it, unless that lack detracts from the overall effect. James Purchase Toronto (not suffering from a hangover....) ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest