Olga wrote: >I firmly believe that we are going to have to have a scoring method >in place with clear and obvious points to judge. I concur 100%. But whatever method we choose to ultimately use MUST take into consideration the full RANGE of different approaches people might take when designing and implementing an aquascape. I'm just uncomfortable that some of what has been suggested to date might _tend_ to favour one stylistic "school" over another. For example, if I was presented with three photographs of three aquascapes, one of yours, one of of Karen's and one of George's, I seriously doubt that I could say who had set up which one. I also might have great difficulty deciding which one, if any, was better than the other two. The three of you share far more than you might individually care to admit regarding how an aquascape "ought" to be set up. (I recognize here that we are not trying to identify the person who did the aquascape - I'm merely indicating that there are "schools of thought" involved in this.) Now, place a photograph of an "Amano" style tank in the mix. Especially one which uses a "minimalist approach" (very Zen, I know...). Knowing the "styles" the three three of you obviously like, at least from seeing photographs of your aquascaping efforts, even I could tell that it would be unlikely that this fourth tank was aquascaped by any of you. But can you guarantee me, 100%, that the guidelines each of you follow to set up (and judge) _your_ style of tank is appropriate, or even valid, for the set up and judging of the _other_ style of tank? To play the complete devil's advocate here..... throw in a Rift Lake Cichlid rockscape, or a beginner's early attempt at this. Merely saying that they will be placed in different categories for judging is not sufficient. The basic judging guidelines must be the same for ALL entries. They must be inclusive of all approaches and not give unfair advantage or disadvantage to one "style" or another. In response to one of my comments, Olga wrote: >>Do you really think it appropriate to "rate" an aquascape (I hesitate >>to use the term "work of art") using the same procedures as you would a >>turnip or a dahlia or a rabbit? >Yes I do think it is appropriate. If we are judging aquascaping it has to >be "rated".... Of course we have to "rate" them. But the system we should use to do that rating, if it is to be fair and even handed, should have more in common with a set of guidelines used to judge, say for example, a flower arrangement than it would with a set of guidelines which rates cats or dogs. One is created by a hobbyist..... intended to last for however long (we can worry about that a little later). In a cat show, all of the cats are pretty much alike: four legs, fur, a tail, pointy ears. You can rate them on physical deportment and confirmation, adherence to breed standards, physical condition, etc. But you wouldn't compare them, say, to a Dwarf rabbit. My point is that we may get aquascapes which while all being arrangements of objects underwater, have very different thoughts behind them. And we have to be sure that our guidelines are FAIR to ALL of them. Certainly, Judges preferences and prejudices are going to come into it. That's a point in favour of having as wide a range of Judges as possible. But surely we can find some middle ground here on a set of fair, comprehensive guidelines to hand those Judges. Does ANYONE know the kinds of guidelines which are used for judging things like flower arrangements? Could _any_ of those guidelines be adapted for our use here? James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest