When setting up the judging/review criteria for any event, regardless of venue or subject matter under discussion, it is easier to start with the "general" and move to the "specific". In our particular case, we are formulating judging guidelines for an on-line Aquascaping contest which will be open for submissions of any type of freshwater aquascape. That is a pretty broad range, and the judging guidelines we decide upon must be selected and worded so as to fairly and accurately allow for the evaluation of a wide range of styles and approaches to the subject. To quote from Amano (AquaJournal, Vol. 33, pg. 12), "Aquascaping combines art with aquatic horticulture to produce a form of artistic expression in which one's "canvas" is a planted tank...". This definition or description is of course slanted specifically towards his personal vision and preference for plant tanks. If we are going to accept non-planted aquascapes in our event, then any built-in bias, at least at the "general" level, must be eliminated. One thing which Amano stresses, and both Roger Miller and I discussed earlier here (among other people), is that there IS a form of "ART" at work here - aquascaping an aquarium is a form of artistic expression, whether or not the hobbyist is conscious of that fact or not. To fail to understand that is to end up with "plants underwater", as George so aptly coined the phrase. You _may_ consider yourself an "aquatic gardener" but every "gardener" I've ever known planned his or her garden with a concious effort and considerable thought. I'm not bringing "ART" back into this discussion to intimidate anyone - I'm just reminding everyone that it IS there. Olga made a good point in an earlier post about how we can actually use or apply "general" criteria to more specific situations. I suggest that it might be simply a matter of listing the various components of the over-all "general" criteria, _under_ the topic headings, like a table of contents of a book. We can also pose "questions" that the judges can ask themselves concerning how well the aquascape under review meets the judge's idea of what this criteria is (we don't have any "ideal" here, nor should we - a lot of this is going to be very subjective on the part of the individual judges). What I see as the simplest and perhaps best way would look something like this, at least initially, and it takes the form of an outline: Criteria #1. - sub-point a. - sub-point b. - sub-point c. - one or more "questions" designed for the judges to help them evaluate how the aquascape fulfills these various sub-points. Criteria #2. - sub-point a. - sub-point b. - sub-point c. - one or more "questions" designed for the judges to help them evaluate how the aquascape fulfills these various sub-points. Criteria #3. - sub-point a. - sub-point b. - sub-point c. - one or more "questions" designed for the judges to help them evaluate how the aquascape fulfills these various sub-points. Criteria #4. - sub-point a. - sub-point b. - sub-point c. - one or more "questions" designed for the judges to help them evaluate how the aquascape fulfills these various sub-points. Criteria #5. - sub-point a. - sub-point b. - sub-point c. - one or more "questions" designed for the judges to help them evaluate how the aquascape fulfills these various sub-points. During our discussions, it may be necessary to elevate a particular sub-point to "full criteria" status or subjugate a criteria under another. This is a mechanical consideration and is to be expected. Once this has been worked out and agreed to, we can then move to consideration of "weighting" the various points and ranking them in order of importance. From there we can move to assigning "point values" or "ranges" for each of them and thus allow for the production of an actual "score" for the aquascape under consideration. James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest