Erik wrote, regarding pre-screening of entries to pull out obvious fakes: "I was talking to my wife about this one, and she said something very sensible: "Did at least one of the judges disqualify it?" If only one does, there we go. End of story. Seriously, I don't think we need to make this "pre-screening" thing a big issue. Just let the judges know that's one of the rules." James responds: I hope both you and your wife are right on this one. I'm willing to go along with people who have more experience in judging of aquariums on this one (I have none), but what happens when we state up front in the Submission Guidelines that images altered in ways other than Contrast, Brightness, Tone and Sharpness are ineligable, and then some Judge ignores our request that faked images not be scored (the Judge might miss the fact, depending upon how good the Photoshop work was done) and gives a score to an image which turns out to be fake??? Will that fake image and the score it received be included on the Web-site and CD-ROM in contradiction to our statement in the Submission Guidelines? This may sound like I'm being picky, but if the above scenario happens, we will look like a bunch of hacks who can't follow our own rules and guidelines (or couldn't agree on them). I realize that there may be altered images which will get by most of us (some graphic artists are _really_ good) and we may end up, in spite of our best intentions, with altered images on display. We may also not have _any_ problem with altered images. Right now we are all just guessing. But I suggest that if we are _not_ going to prescreen the images, we provide explicit instructions to the Judges that electronically altered images are NOT eligable for the Contest OR the Showcase. Alternatively, if the judging is going to be done via the Internet and Erik is going to set up a form to receive the scores and comments, the simple inclusion of a field labelled "Suspected Altered Image" could take care of any possible problem. If any Judge suspects that an image has been altered or faked, all that they would have to do would be to check off the appropriate box on the form. We (the contest organizers) could then contact the entrant via e-mail (I would imaging that anyone capable of electronically altering an image is going to also be a computer literate person, so they will have e-mail) and simply ask for proof that the image is genuine. If the proof provided passes "muster", we can include the image, scores and comments for that particular image. If the entrant cannot provide proof that the image is genuine (like two or three more shots of the same aquacape from different angles which ALL show the same feature), then its out. Now, it occurs to me that requiring multiple images of each aquascape will pretty much rule out all but the most ardent of cheaters. It would be pretty difficult for someone to make an alteration that wouldn't show up in at least ONE of them. so I may be worrying needlessly here, but the above little "check box" could satisfy everyone. Make sense? James Purchase Toronto ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest